Lolis?

14-12-2016, 05:20 AM

Ebony Wrote: Yes, and Urban Dictionary works by rating the most accurate definitions, which are then placed at top. Hence, the majority of people insist that the top one is the correct one. Japan also believes so, but by all means have your definition. Though they are not valid within a discussion like this. The other sources are as viable as any source you can possibly find. The difference is, I can take 2 seconds and find several sources support my point. But it will take at least twice as long to find something that doesn't.

You also might go and read "Lolita" which is where the term originated from.

no lol

I think it is gross and people who like it I think are f'd up.

14-12-2016, 10:26 AM

Faded Wrote: no lol

I thought you were done with this conversation?

Everyone is subject to their own opinions. I honestly don't care if you enjoy watching lolicon or whatever you're in to. Do I think it should be illegal? Not really. It's fictional, self-made, entertainment. Do I like it? No, not in a sexual manner. I like having the cute anime girls in my avatars on forums but that's about it. I don't have a huge loli folder on my computer simply because that's not something I'm interested in, I'd rather go out and get some women my age and condone in the real deal.

Now on to the new topic of discussion, is loli a "sexual attraction to young girls"? I wouldn't say it is 100% of the time. There are some loli pictures that do not include any sexual aspects of them. Just a cute/pretty young animated girl. Now am I stating that there is absolutely no loli that is sexually appealing? Of course not. The point here is that even the sources won't come up with a clear answer. It's a man-made word, we all need to come to that realization. All of this shit is man-made. The person who came up with this might have a different thinking pattern than that of myself or others, and that's where we come to this disagreement on what it means. Who gives a fuck what it means for all I'm concerned. All in all, loli is both sexually appealing and non sexual pictures of young animated girls. That's my take on it.

14-12-2016, 11:59 PM

Natsu Wrote: Now on to the new topic of discussion, is loli a "sexual attraction to young girls"? I wouldn't say it is 100% of the time. There are some loli pictures that do not include any sexual aspects of them. Just a cute/pretty young animated girl. Now am I stating that there is absolutely no loli that is sexually appealing? Of course not. The point here is that even the sources won't come up with a clear answer. It's a man-made word, we all need to come to that realization. All of this shit is man-made. The person who came up with this might have a different thinking pattern than that of myself or others, and that's where we come to this disagreement on what it means. Who gives a fuck what it means for all I'm concerned. All in all, loli is both sexually appealing and non sexual pictures of young animated girls. That's my take on it.

Despite that, you can trace it back to it's origin. Which is "Lolita" in which is a book that the original description comes from, which is young girls in fiction, created for the specific reason to draw in those who have a sexual attraction towards it. As mentioned above, how this is portrayed depends on how each writer use it. But the idea behind it is to provoke a sexual attraction from the audience. Which is why "Lolicon" manga and anime are directed towards a younger audience, it was never meant (originally) for people who are 20 plus in age. While yes it is a man-made word, it still has a specific meaning. The logic that "each person defines it differently and thus it is differently" is stupid.

By that logic I can go to the President of the USA and yell; "I am going to fucking murder you and your family!" and then sue the Secret Service/Police for arresting me for saying "Good day, Mr.President" in my own definition of the words. Words have a specific meaning regardless of what the minority means. "Loli" is derived from "Lolicon" which is taken from "Lolita" and is a genre of fiction to refers to sexual content featuring underage/young girls. No matter how people define it, that is what it means.

15-12-2016, 12:09 AM

Ebony Wrote: Despite that, you can trace it back to it's origin. Which is "Lolita" in which is a book that the original description comes from, which is young girls in fiction, created for the specific reason to draw in those who have a sexual attraction towards it. As mentioned above, how this is portrayed depends on how each writer use it. But the idea behind it is to provoke a sexual attraction from the audience. Which is why "Lolicon" manga and anime are directed towards a younger audience, it was never meant (originally) for people who are 20 plus in age. While yes it is a man-made word, it still has a specific meaning. The logic that "each person defines it differently and thus it is differently" is stupid.

By that logic I can go to the President of the USA and yell; "I am going to fucking murder you and your family!" and then sue the Secret Service/Police for arresting me for saying "Good day, Mr.President" in my own definition of the words. Words have a specific meaning regardless of what the minority means. "Loli" is derived from "Lolicon" which is taken from "Lolita" and is a genre of fiction to refers to sexual content featuring underage/young girls. No matter how people define it, that is what it means.

Yes, the original idea behind it may have been to provoke sexual attraction; but just like the original rules of a sport changes, or the original design of a phone changes, the same can be applied here. Everyone can take it a different way, and just because the original concept of loli may have been to provoke sexual attraction, it doesn't mean it's permanently going to remain that way.

Also that reference was terrible to say the least, not to mention very over the top and not at all in accordance with the alignment of the current topic. At least do something on the same playing field. Telling someone you're going to kill them is not at all equal to saying loli is non sexual versus saying it is.

15-12-2016, 12:22 AM

Natsu Wrote: Yes, the original idea behind it may have been to provoke sexual attraction; but just like the original rules of a sport changes, or the original design of a phone changes, the same can be applied here. Everyone can take it a different way, and just because the original concept of loli may have been to provoke sexual attraction, it doesn't mean it's permanently going to remain that way.

Also that reference was terrible to say the least, not to mention very over the top and not at all in accordance with the alignment of the current topic. At least do something on the same playing field. Telling someone you're going to kill them is not at all equal to saying loli is non sexual versus saying it is.

Yes, and things change with time. I never stated that they didn't. I stated that a word has a meaning, and that meaning is based on what the majority of people involved with it say what it means. In this case, "Lolicon" is still a very common and active genre in Japan and it means, in short terms; "sexual attraction to young girls". I never said it was going to remain that way, I stated that it has been that way and it is that way at the current point in time. (And near future for that matter.)

Also, the reference was made to be over the top, to make a point about it. It is on the same "playing field" as this debate as we are discussing the meaning of a word based on subjective opinion on said meaning. Not specifically tied to "Loli" either, as this debate is tied to language. The reference serves to prove a point and make it easy to understand.

15-12-2016, 01:46 AM

Ebony Wrote: Yes, and things change with time. I never stated that they didn't. I stated that a word has a meaning, and that meaning is based on what the majority of people involved with it say what it means. In this case, "Lolicon" is still a very common and active genre in Japan and it means, in short terms; "sexual attraction to young girls". I never said it was going to remain that way, I stated that it has been that way and it is that way at the current point in time. (And near future for that matter.)

Also, the reference was made to be over the top, to make a point about it. It is on the same "playing field" as this debate as we are discussing the meaning of a word based on subjective opinion on said meaning. Not specifically tied to "Loli" either, as this debate is tied to language. The reference serves to prove a point and make it easy to understand.

It's obviously changed from the original derived term if nearly every single comment on this thread goes against your point. Facts.

The reference was too over the top, it had no alignment with the loli discussion from the way I look at it.

15-12-2016, 01:49 AM

Natsu Wrote: It's obviously changed from the original derived term if nearly every single comment on this thread goes against your point. Facts.

The reference was too over the top, it had no alignment with the loli discussion from the way I look at it.

Well Japan and the general media/community behind anime/manga seems to disagree. But oh noes, around 5 people on one forum said something is the true reality of things, so clearly that is the undeniable facts. (Protip, it isn't.) If 3 out of 4 people in a conversation says that anime is live action, is it? Because the majority of that conversation said it is? Of course not.

15-12-2016, 01:57 AM

Ebony Wrote: Well Japan and the general media/community behind anime/manga seems to disagree. But oh noes, around 5 people on one forum said something is the true reality of things, so clearly that is the undeniable facts. (Protip, it isn't.) If 3 out of 4 people in a conversation says that anime is live action, is it? Because the majority of that conversation said it is? Of course not.

Well that was a good reference. I was wrong. However, I still believe that times have changed; and people have changed along with it. And loli is no longer generally directed at ONLY sexual content. As I've said earlier, I'm not stating that all of it isn't sexual content, just a portion.