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22-12-2018, 12:27 PM

Snacks Wrote: Ohh what a shame, it is not like you can download it or access it from a web browser which every smartphone has..

You're right, its not up to you to prove someone else correct. That being said, it is up to you to not act like a drug addict who hasn't gotten their fix yet. There is a severe lack of reason from your side to even be acting remotely close to how you are. If you took a second off your high horse and actually used proper analysis and logic you'd come to the conclusion that it is very possible that he made this and that he owns this regardless of any hard proof. For one, the description on the Instagram Page of "Pusula Art" matches the one he sent the Control Panel of. Now to my knowledge you cannot access said control panel without being signed into said Instagram account. Hence he at least has access to the Instagram account.

Now that should be more than enough to give him the benefit of the doubt regardless of any proof or lack of. When you add in the amount of work he has put in to try and satisfy your childish tantrum and filter in some basic logic then that jus increases the likelihood that he isn't lying. Who would go to such extremes just to take credit for a below average design using a template to display itself? Who would go through the extra effort to at least make an Instagram to steal design that shouldn't be displayed in a portfolio? The basic answer to that would be no one and with the info he has already given, the argument is in his favour. If anything it seems like you are dragging this on in a desperate attempt to artificially increase your post count or something (note the "seems like" and the lack of stating that you are actually doing so).


Here is another thing to filter into his story. The speed of which he replied. He either went through the trouble of prepping his back story extensively just so he can steal something below mediocre or he is telling the truth and had access to said information as quickly as he did because he is simply telling the truth.

22-12-2018, 02:17 PM

Lukecetion Wrote: You're right, its not up to you to prove someone else correct. That being said, it is up to you to not act like a drug addict who hasn't gotten their fix yet. There is a severe lack of reason from your side to even be acting remotely close to how you are. If you took a second off your high horse and actually used proper analysis and logic you'd come to the conclusion that it is very possible that he made this and that he owns this regardless of any hard proof. For one, the description on the Instagram Page of "Pusula Art" matches the one he sent the Control Panel of. Now to my knowledge you cannot access said control panel without being signed into said Instagram account. Hence he at least has access to the Instagram account.

Now that should be more than enough to give him the benefit of the doubt regardless of any proof or lack of. When you add in the amount of work he has put in to try and satisfy your childish tantrum and filter in some basic logic then that jus increases the likelihood that he isn't lying. Who would go to such extremes just to take credit for a below average design using a template to display itself? Who would go through the extra effort to at least make an Instagram to steal design that shouldn't be displayed in a portfolio? The basic answer to that would be no one and with the info he has already given, the argument is in his favour. If anything it seems like you are dragging this on in a desperate attempt to artificially increase your post count or something (note the "seems like" and the lack of stating that you are actually doing so).


Here is another thing to filter into his story. The speed of which he replied. He either went through the trouble of prepping his back story extensively just so he can steal something below mediocre or he is telling the truth and had access to said information as quickly as he did because he is simply telling the truth.

Alrighty, read you entire comment. I might have been a bit too hard on him, but that is only due to the fact that proving something very simple, such as facebook-page ownership, is not something that takes almost an hour to complete.
And by even further thoughtful thinking it does give him the advantage that he can provide that extra work to satisfy my questionaire of whether it actually is his work or not.
Not to be flippant, but thank you for accusing me somewhat of trying to increase my post count regarding this thread. Posts can be obtained in a better way and through normal talking in lounges etc. I had no reason to accuse him of falsified work if all I wanted was to increase my post count. The main reason I actually wanted him to prove himself, was due to the fact that back on HackForums, LeakForums and even Nulled.to people stole (probably still an on-going thing) other peoples work without crediting them, and I also happened to be one of those victims, thus my skeptics regardin no validation.

On that note, yes I was harsh and hard on him, and I will write a letter of apology to him, though having another user to write what you wrote publicly instead of sending a DM/PM and then explaining all that, is kinda childish as well. Why childish? Well if you had written it to me in DM/PM then I would still have read it, and even written him an apology both as a DM/PM as well as a snippet of it on the thread. (still my intention to do so, regarding nontheless of your public input or if it was a DM/PM).

22-12-2018, 02:39 PM

Snacks Wrote: Alrighty, read you entire comment. I might have been a bit too hard on him, but that is only due to the fact that proving something very simple, such as facebook-page ownership, is not something that takes almost an hour to complete.
And by even further thoughtful thinking it does give him the advantage that he can provide that extra work to satisfy my questionaire of whether it actually is his work or not.
Not to flippant, but thank you for accusing me somewhat of trying to increase my post count regarding this thread. Posts can be obtained in a better way and through normal talking in lounges etc. I had no reason to accuse him of falsified work if all I wanted was to increase my post count. The main reason I actually wanted him to prove himself, was due to the fact that back on HackForums, LeakForums and even Nulled.to people stole (probably still an on-going thing) other peoples work without crediting them, and I also happened to be one of those victims, thus my skeptics regardin no validation.

On that note, yes I was harsh and hard on him, and I will write a letter of apology to him, though having another user to write what you wrote publicly instead of sending a DM/PM and then explaining all that, is kinda childish as well. Why childish? Well if you had written it to me in DM/PM then I would still have read it, and even written him an apology both as a DM/PM as well as a snippet of it on the thread. (still my intention to do so, regarding nontheless of your public input or if it was a DM/PM).

Whenever or not it was simple is a matter of subjective opinion and not your personal one, no matter how universal you think it might be. Trying should be rewarded, even you don't entirely succeed. What he gave you as evidence should at the very least be enough for you to avoid insulting him further and directing the conversation at him as a person instead of the topic at hand. Note, there were no reason to even start calling him names in the first place. I do get that you want someone to prove themselves, but that doesn't give you the free pass to completely ignore common sense and logic just to keep the argument going further. Instead you should look at what evidence he was giving you in an objective light and analyse it rather than simply telling him to get you the one specific piece of evidence you cherry picked (Facebook).

You gave him the option to prove himself when you asked him the first time, yet you didn't even take a minute to look into the evidence he provided before calling him out. Hence it was either not important to you in the first place and you just wanted to argue, or you didn't care about any other evidence than the one you requested and thus got blinded by the sheer anger over the possibility that he might have stolen it. We humans have this "innocent until proven otherwise" mentality because otherwise we'd try and blame everyone else based on the actions of a few people, which was your entire reason for going on this crusade as you said yourself. You refused to believe him regardless of how hard he tried because someone else stole something once. Proof can be created and manufacturedto cover a lie which is why you should take everything with a grain of salt in a scenario like this.

As I explained above, it is highly unlikely that he was lying at the time and nothing has changed that. My reason for posting this public was to counter your own toxic behaviour towards a member of the community to prove that work he put in to prove you wrong wasn't completely nullified, though I fear it might bet too late for that anyhow. Another reason is that this is s public forum and people should share their opinions and views, especially in a situation such as this.Writing a public apology holds far more value than a private one, as do a public statement than a private one. As for you reasoning for this crusade...

When you've been on forums for over a decade and have over a decade of experience in the field of graphical art and design you stumble over a great deal of thieves and less than honest people. I am usually the person who goes haywire and calling out people for stealing stuff, but I don't do it because it happened to me or someone I care about (but I assure, it has happened to me more times than I can count). I do it because I care about art, I care about the thought put behind that work. Someone trying to mimic the thoughts of someone else in order to earn fame or money is neither kind or smart to do as you will never actually be able to fully copy he mindset of someone else. I offer my analysis and ask for proof of creation because I want to provide as accurate as possible feedback to the person in question. I don't go on a crusade to satisfy my own personal revenge as a way to cope with something that occurred to me a few times.

Regardless of what happened to you or someone else in the past then a random stranger on a forum shouldn't be the target of that hatred you gained simply because you have a subjective opinion of them and refuses to use common sense and logic to analyse the situation.

nice bro do you do custom bits for other people ya?

It's simple and cool. Like it. It's OK how it is, but I would have made the purple colors everywhere more like smoke not that smudgy slime, like it is now. I mean smoke and spit or slime have two different symbolics. But it is OK, done well and professionally.