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Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

Submitted by Bassdrop, , Thread ID: 119913

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01-02-2019, 03:52 PM
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For those who keep their crypto stored on exchanges, here's another example of why you shouldn't...


QuadrigaCX, Canada's largest cryptcurrency exchange, claims they can't access their cold storage wallets after the death of their founder a couple of weeks ago and has filed for bankruptcy protection.



Quote:In October 2018, the exchange disputed a $19.6 million sum with the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce (CIBC). Per Canadian news daily the Globe and Mail, QuadrigaCX had been experiencing difficulties accessing $16.3 million of its funds since January, when the CIBC froze five accounts belonging to Jose Reyes, the exchanges owner, and its payment processor, Costodian Inc.

CIBC subsequently requested that the Ontario Superior Court withhold the funds and determine whether they belong to Costodian, the exchange, or the users who deposited the funds. The court ruled in favor of the bank, stating that the owner of the funds was not clearly established. CIBC was then obliged to pass the funds over to the Accountant of the Superior Court in order to identify the owner.

Further complicating the exchanges situation is the apparent death of its founder, Gerry Cotten. Following an announcement of Cottens passing, some users asked for proof of death, while one even posited the theory that the exchange could not access the assets in cold storage, as the keys were only known to Cotten.

Users of the platform have reportedly been unable to access or withdraw their funds for months. Some speculated whether the platform had gone insolvent earlier this week when QuadrigaCX appeared to be down for maintenance. One commenter posted on Reddit, ?They will declare insolvency due to an inability to find a suitable bank to host an account and facilitate transfers.


Posted on the QuadrigaCX site now:

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I lost about 500 bucks, could be worse.

Either way, if your crypto is stored on an exchange, you do not own or control the wallet.

Life is like a box of chocolates, it doesn't last as long for fat people.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

#2
I have always been paranoid about that and get my currency out of exchanges as fast as possible.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

#3
Had huge issues with this in the past as well. Namely Mt.Gox and Cryptsy. Both were enormous exchange platforms and essentially just took the money and ran.

This situation is a little different, but definitely shows why you should never keep any significant holdings on their site.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

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01-02-2019, 03:52 PM
Bassdrop Wrote:
For those who keep their crypto stored on exchanges, here's another example of why you shouldn't...


QuadrigaCX, Canada's largest cryptcurrency exchange, claims they can't access their cold storage wallets after the death of their founder a couple of weeks ago and has filed for bankruptcy protection.





Posted on the QuadrigaCX site now:

[Image: k3RkTh8.png]


I lost about 500 bucks, could be worse.

Either way, if your crypto is stored on an exchange, you do not own or control the wallet.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

OP
#5
10-02-2019, 12:08 AM
NoodleCat Wrote:
Had huge issues with this in the past as well. Namely Mt.Gox and Cryptsy. Both were enormous exchange platforms and essentially just took the money and ran.

This situation is a little different, but definitely shows why you should never keep any significant holdings on their site.

Yeah, the Mt.Gox fiasco was pretty bad, nearly killed everything.. that was before I got into crypto myself, but I know all about it.. $450mil USD worth of BTC at 2004 rates is a crazy amount of coins.

I'd say the stupidest part about this situation, assuming that everything they're saying is even true, is that there doesn'even seem to be any theft/hacking or nefarious activity to have caused it and that since 2013, right from the get-go, this situation was a ticking timebomb bound to happen sooner or later unless the founder was immortal and lived forever... pretty fucking retarded considering that it's an easily predictable outcome that could've been remedied with something as simple as multisignature wallets or even just a $5/mo safety deposit box left to the company in his will if he didn't trust anybody. Instead, 115k people are out an average of $2k apiece, though obviously some ppl lost waaay more than that and most lost less.

I personally think there's more to the story though.

Life is like a box of chocolates, it doesn't last as long for fat people.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

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Yeah I've never done this, always keep it secured. You wouldn't keep your money in a bank if they could just accidentally loose it every so often would you?

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

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10-02-2019, 09:05 PM
Bassdrop Wrote:
Yeah, the Mt.Gox fiasco was pretty bad, nearly killed everything.. that was before I got into crypto myself, but I know all about it.. $450mil USD worth of BTC at 2004 rates is a crazy amount of coins.

I'd say the stupidest part about this situation, assuming that everything they're saying is even true, is that there doesn'even seem to be any theft/hacking or nefarious activity to have caused it and that since 2013, right from the get-go, this situation was a ticking timebomb bound to happen sooner or later unless the founder was immortal and lived forever... pretty fucking retarded considering that it's an easily predictable outcome that could've been remedied with something as simple as multisignature wallets or even just a $5/mo safety deposit box left to the company in his will if he didn't trust anybody. Instead, 115k people are out an average of $2k apiece, though obviously some ppl lost waaay more than that and most lost less.

I personally think there's more to the story though.

Would definitely agree with you. Just seems a little weird that there wasonly one sole person holding that information. It all just seems a little fishy to me. It's totally feasible that it's true, but it's asinine regardless.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

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10-02-2019, 09:26 PM
NoodleCat Wrote:
Would definitely agree with you. Just seems a little weird that there wasonly one sole person holding that information. It all just seems a little fishy to me. It's totally feasible that it's true, but it's asinine regardless.

Just read that he filed a will 12 days before he died, leaving $9.2mil in assets including several properties, an airplane, a Jeanneau 51 yacht, had "a plan in place to provide $100k to his in-laws to help them cover the costs of caring for his pet Chihuahuas", even made sure to leave his frequent flier miles and rewards points in his will...

Who gives half a shart about a quarter billion dollars of other peoples' money as long as his Canadian Tire points didn't end up going to waste... everyone should be pretty understanding I think, prioritizing responsibilities is something we can all relate to. :lol:

Life is like a box of chocolates, it doesn't last as long for fat people.

RE: Why you shouldn't keep crypto on exchanges

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Yeah only keep your crypto on exchanges if you actively trade it there, and only the portion of it that you actively trade. Everything else should be in a secure wallet that you control.

The Quadriga case is very interesting and there are a ton of rumours that the death is fake or at least the story about the lost keys is fake. Even the CEO of the Kraken Exchange is very sceptical of the story and others are saying the cold storage wallets are active and moving coins.

I didn't have an account there but I'm very curious how this story develops.

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Agree, but not this is unpredictable nobody expect him to die and they just lost their money. but still a thing to avoid and just use other wallet instead

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