Rock-Paper-Scissors recent history table

This is still a bit of a peeve of mine.. in the Rock-Paper-Scissors (RPS) game, the "Bet" column always incorrectly states "10 Credits"...



I actually made this same suggestion about a year ago but I only noticed today that it got denied with the following explanation, so I don't think I explained it coherently enough:

12-07-2018, 05:56 PM

Faded Wrote: You bet 10. You win. You get back 20!

You bet 10. You lose. You not only lose the 10 you bet, but you also lose the potential of winning 10!

I know where you're coming from and it's kinda weird, but definitely not that big of a deal.

That's not how the Rock-Paper-Scissors game functions though, nor is that how profit/loss calculations work...in the case of RPS, you are, in fact, actually betting 20 credits.


More accurately, assuming you start off with 100 credits, it works like:

Quote:You bet 20 (bringing you down to 80). You win. You get back 40. Final balance: 120 credits[Profit: 20 credits]

You bet 20 (bringing you down to 80). You lose. You get back nothing. Final balance: 80 credits [Profit: -20 credits]

The Bet amount and the Profit/Loss amount absolutely must be the same value for the table to make mathematical sense (if the bet amount was 10, then the Profit/Loss column would be wrong, because "losing the potential of winning" more money isn't a 'loss' of that money, nor is getting your principal investment back considered 'profit'.. Profit/Loss is always calculated asValue minus Principal.)

I just don't think that correcting a violation of basic math should get denied... even just removing the "Bet" column altogether would be fine by me since it's easy enough to deduce.



(I will totally agree that it's not a big deal, I think it just bugs me coming from a statistics background :lmao: )

Cheers!

Tested there - bet 10 and get 20 back when I win so double my betting. Bet 10 and loose, deducted 20 credits as opposed to the initial 10 I betted.
Aoki and Aisaka this might be something to look into or maybe alter the betting rules/statistics depending on how it's supposed to work.

15-02-2019, 04:16 AM

Nasyr Wrote: Tested there - bet 10 and get 20 back when I win so double my betting. Bet 10 and loose, deducted 20 credits as opposed to the initial 10 I betted.
Aoki and Aisaka this might be something to look into or maybe alter the betting rules/statistics depending on how it's supposed to work.

Wouldn't that be correct though since the bot would essentially be taking your 10?

15-02-2019, 06:58 AM

Lucidious Wrote: Wouldn't that be correct though since the bot would essentially be taking your 10?

I would say no as when you loose the bot is taking 20 credits as opposed to the 10 betted as shown on the page. Unless its win double or loose double your bet which should be highlighted.

15-02-2019, 04:27 PM

Nasyr Wrote: I would say no as when you loose the bot is taking 20 credits as opposed to the 10 betted as shown on the page. Unless its win double or loose double your bet which should be highlighted.

You could also just update the Bet column to show a static value of 20 instead of 10.

I ran some simulations at both 20 credits per bet and 10 credits per bet (1000 apiece) to see what might be required to achieve the "Gambler" award..

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1000 SIMULATIONS @ 20 CREDITS PER BET

(Google Docs spreadsheet containing simulation results)

Average number of rounds required to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve award):

• Average (mean): 911,135 rounds
  
• Median: 9,504 rounds
  

Highest number of rounds played to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve award):

1. 232,506,197 (ID #0649)
   
2. 107,098,899 (ID #0912)
   
3. 84,303,621 (ID #0507)
   
4. 68,940,312 (ID #0242)
   
5. 67,242,888 (ID #0476)
   

Fewest number of rounds played to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve award):

1. 291 (ID #0337)
   
2. 362 (ID #0003)
   
3. 372 (ID #0179)
   
4. 395 (ID #0854)
   
5. 411 (ID #0827)
   

Largest losses reached before eventually reaching 1k credits profit:

1. -531,360 credits (ID #0649)
   
2. -271,680 credits (ID #0912)
   
3. -184,980 credits (ID #0476)
   
4. -172,320 credits (ID #0507)
   
5. -151,900 credits (ID #0242)
   

Other:

• 57/1000 (5.7%) took less than 1000 total rounds to reach 1k profit
  
• 490/1000 (49.0%) took more than 10,000 total rounds played to reach 1k profit
  
• 157/1000 (15.7%) took more than 100,000 total rounds played to reach 1k profit
  
• 51/1000 (5.1%) took more than 1 million total rounds played to reach 1k profit
  
• 21/1000 (2.1%) took more than 5 million total rounds played to reach 1k profit
  
• 13/1000 (1.3%) took more than 10 million total rounds played to reach 1k profit
  
• 169/1000 (16.9%) attained losses of more than -5k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 89/1000 (8.9%) attained losses of more than -10k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 18/1000 (1.8%) attained losses of more than -50k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 7/1000 (0.7%) attained losses of more than -100k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 485/1000 (48.5%) attained losses of less than -1k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 23/1000 (2.3%) never went into the negative at all before reaching 1k profit
  

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1000 SIMULATIONS @ 10 CREDITS PER BET

(Google Docs spreadsheet containing simulation results)

Average number of rounds required to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve Gambler award):

• Average (mean): 5,913,664 rounds
  
• Median: 43,877 rounds
  

Highest number of rounds played to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve award):

1. 2,125,597,008 (ID #0568) yes, you read it correctly;over 2 billion rounds lol
   
2. 1,057,446,306 (ID #0064)
   
3. 595,204,913 (ID #0874)
   
4. 204,296,852 (ID #0994)
   
5. 188,038,815 (ID #0023)
   

Fewest number of rounds played to reach 1k credits profit (and achieve award):

1. 1,646 (ID #0836)
   
2. 1,891 (ID #0682)
   
3. 1,915 (ID #0578)
   
4. 1,918 (ID #0456)
   
5. 1,939 (ID #0287)
   

Largest losses reached before eventually reaching 1k credits profit:

1. -649,190 credits (ID #0568)
   
2. -305,280 credits (ID #0064)
   
3. -273,330 credits (ID #0874)
   
4. -188,140 credits (ID #0023)
   
5. -170,394 credits (ID #0994)
   

Other:

• 0/1000 (0.0%) took less than 1000 total rounds to reach 1000 credits profit
  
• 800/1000 (80.0%) more than 10k total rounds to reach 1k profit
  
• 352/1000 (35.2%) more than 100k total rounds to reach 1k profit
  
• 106/1000 (10.6%) more than 1 million total roudns to reach 1k profit
  
• 57/1000 (5.7%) took more than 5 million total rounds to reach 1k profit
  
• 35/1000 (3.5%) more than 10 million total rounds to reach 1k profit
  
• 190/1000 (19.0%) attained losses of more than -5k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 99/1000 (9.9%) attained losses of more than -10k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 22/1000 (2.2%) attained losses of more than -50k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 7/1000 (0.7%) attained losses of more than -100k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 456/1000 (45.6%) attained losses of less than -1k credits before reaching 1k profit
  
• 13/1000 (1.3%) never went into the negative at all before reaching 1k profit
  

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Pretty rough haha. My vote would be to keep it at 20 (or better yet, allow users to choose how much to bet perhaps in the range of 5-200 credits seeing as that's how gambling typically works and it would make success potentially attainable for the poor bastards on the path of needing hundreds of millions of rounds lol).

I notice that the Global Statistics don't make mathematical sense either... more losses than wins, yet an overall profit.



Profit should be calculated as: (WINS LOSSES) x 20 = PROFIT

For those stats, the profit should be: (25839 25901) x 20 = -1240 credits

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My own stats are correct though: (216 202) * 20 = 280

15-02-2019, 04:16 AM

Nasyr Wrote: Tested there - bet 10 and get 20 back when I win so double my betting. Bet 10 and loose, deducted 20 credits as opposed to the initial 10 I betted.
Aoki and Aisaka this might be something to look into or maybe alter the betting rules/statistics depending on how it's supposed to work.

It has been like this since forever. It's not really a bug, but intended to be like that. One of the reasons might be inflation. I can't say for sure

Aoki has to decide if we change something about it

Noticed the Global Stats were updated and add up properly now, cheers! <3

nice awesome mad cant wait to try this out cant wait to get my post up