Lolis?

15-12-2016, 03:52 AM

Natsu Wrote: Quote contradictory. I don't condone in loli yet I don't class it as strictly sexual attraction to young animated girls.

Even though there are different interpretations and feelings towards the word, the word still retains it's original definition. No matter how many apples grow, despite being different sizes and colors, it still came from one seed. You are just picking apples, while Lukecetion is excavating it's roots.

15-12-2016, 03:52 AM

Natsu Wrote: Quote contradictory. I don't condone in loli yet I don't class it as strictly sexual attraction to young animated girls.

Even though there are different interpretations and feelings towards the word, the word still retains it's original definition. No matter how many apples grow, despite being different sizes and colors, it still came from one seed. You are just picking apples, while Lukecetion is excavating it's roots.

14-12-2016, 11:47 PM

Ebony Wrote: I thought you were done with this conversation?

I was never in the conversation? Good job though.

loli is considered a young looking drawn female character.
lolicon in a person who's into lolis.

Lolis are often sexualised, but not limited to.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...546AAZWlh6
For some reason a lot of people don't agree with you, and not just on the forum.

You also have to realise that words change meanings over time, and they often have different meanings based on the communities they're used in.
Just because the word meant what you said in Japan, in the year 2006, doesn't mean it means the same thing now.

15-12-2016, 11:01 AM

Faded Wrote: I was never in the conversation? Good job though.

loli is considered a young looking drawn female character.
lolicon in a person who's into lolis.

Lolis are often sexualised, but not limited to.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...546AAZWlh6
For some reason a lot of people don't agree with you, and not just on the forum.

You also have to realise that words change meanings over time, and they often have different meanings based on the communities they're used in.
Just because the word meant what you said in Japan, in the year 2006, doesn't mean it means the same thing now.

That link you provided... The first and highest ranking answer states that they aren't even sure themselves. The one underneath it is directly against it. The following makes only one reference and example of the term, in a sexual setting. The next following comments explain the origin of it and the meaning within Japan and as a genre, that is a sexual setting. So you just provided me with more ammo. (Great job.)

As far as the genre cares, "Loli" refers to young girls or young looking woman aimed towards a audience to provoke a sexual response from them. Also, yes words change meaning over the years. But as of 2016, "Loli" in Japan and in media means what I just said. If you want, then I can probably check for you when I go to Japan in a few months, if you are bothered enough by this to wait that long.

15-12-2016, 05:25 PM

Ebony Wrote: That link you provided... The first and highest ranking answer states that they aren't even sure themselves. The one underneath it is directly against it. The following makes only one reference and example of the term, in a sexual setting. The next following comments explain the origin of it and the meaning within Japan and as a genre, that is a sexual setting. So you just provided me with more ammo. (Great job.)

As far as the genre cares, "Loli" refers to young girls or young looking woman aimed towards a audience to provoke a sexual response from them. Also, yes words change meaning over the years. But as of 2016, "Loli" in Japan and in media means what I just said. If you want, then I can probably check for you when I go to Japan in a few months, if you are bothered enough by this to wait that long.

I'll answer all your points in a reply later, I first wanna know what do you think is on this picture:
https://u.nya.is/gzszow.jpg

Now say it in 1 word, coming from Japanese origin, which is used widely in manga/anime etc.

15-12-2016, 05:50 PM

Faded Wrote: I'll answer all your points in a reply later, I first wanna know what do you think is on this picture:
https://u.nya.is/gzszow.jpg

Now say it in 1 word, coming from Japanese origin, which is used widely in manga/anime etc.

15-12-2016, 06:03 PM

Ebony Wrote:

You want me to tell you what I think of that picture in a single word? That is also of Japanese origin? Well fine.

My answer: Seinen

Though I assume you were trying to either get me to directly deny it being Loli or stating that it is Loli. Both which are wrong, and even if the original character is such then whomever made this image didn't try to mimic that style. Thus it falls more towards being "Seinen" than "Loli". The art style that is. It's a bit hard to fully analyze character traits based on a single image. Not that I would be a valid source to identify "Loli" to begin with, so as far as instantly identifying it goes, I would probably be a really horrible choice for a person to ask. (Picture wise.)

I guess I should have been more clear and said what is that person on the picture.

Because Seinen is a genre, not a personality/appearance trait.

15-12-2016, 06:18 PM

Faded Wrote: I guess I should have been more clear and said what is that person on the picture.

Because Seinen is a genre, not a personality/appearance trait.

"Lolicon" or "Loli" is also a genre, and not a personality trait. Hence why you have "Lolicon Manga/Anime". As "Lolicon" and "Loli" refers to the "Lolita Complex" originating from the book "Lolita" which refers to attraction towards young or prepubescent girls. That being said, within Japan "Lolicon" is also used to describe a specific character personality, but to avoid confusion it is more commonly referred to as "Erotic-Cute" or "Erotic-Kawaii". Outside of Japan, the term "Lolicon" is more or less specifically used when someone are talking about the genre.

As we are talking about "Loli" and "Lolicon" then we are talking about genre or characters who are noted to be "erotic", either way I don't see what you are trying to get with that image, though if I was to give a single word that described the character's personality traits based off that image alone then it would be:

Mysterious

That is based of the drawing style and the format it is drawn in. (It is strangely alike to Miasaki Mei from the anime "Another" in design, and mysterious is exactly what she was meant to be.)

15-12-2016, 06:26 PM

Ebony Wrote: "Lolicon" or "Loli" is also a genre, and not a personality trait. Hence why you have "Lolicon Manga/Anime". As "Lolicon" and "Loli" refers to the "Lolita Complex" originating from the book "Lolita" which refers to attraction towards young or prepubescent girls. That being said, within Japan "Lolicon" is also used to describe a specific character personality, but to avoid confusion it is more commonly referred to as "Erotic-Cute" or "Erotic-Kawaii". Outside of Japan, the term "Lolicon" is more or less specifically used when someone are talking about the genre.

As we are talking about "Loli" and "Lolicon" then we are talking about genre or characters who are noted to be "erotic", either way I don't see what you are trying to get with that image, though if I was to give a single word that described the character's personality traits based off that image alone then it would be:

Mysterious

That is based of the drawing style and the format it is drawn in. (It is strangely alike to Miasaki Mei from the anime "Another" in design, and mysterious is exactly what she was meant to be.)

Uh no, a lolicon is someone who is into lolis. Loli is a personality/appearance trait. Lolicon comes from the word lolita complex(liking young looking girls), and lolita means sexualised young looking girl.

15-12-2016, 06:35 PM

Faded Wrote: Uh no, a lolicon is someone who is into lolis. Loli is a personality/appearance trait. Lolicon comes from the word lolita complex(liking young looking girls), and lolita means sexualised young looking girl.

"Lolicon" is a media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. "Loli" is the abbreviated word of "Lolicon" hence "Loli" is derived from "Lolicon" which in turn comes from the Russian book "Lolita" which is the founding source for the "Lolita Complex". In the book "Lolita", an elderly man develops a unhealthy attraction towards a 12-year old girl that is noted at times to be sexual. From this the word derived from. Though outside of Japan some people seem to have taken "Loli" into referring to the character specifically, while also using "Lolita" for the same ends.

Though the character type it refers to are those that are "sexually precious" or "erotic-kawaii". Both make a note of it being sexual, and nothing else. So to sum that up:

Lolita is the name of a Russian book about a elderly man who gets obsessed with a 12-year old girl in both romantic and sexual terms. The word itself is more commonly used to refer to the genre, but outside of Japan it has been used to refer to the character type rather commonly.

Lolicon is derived from "Lolita" and is the name of a popular genre in Japan animation and written mediums. Most commonly manga and anime. This genre focus on sexual attraction towards either a young girl or a woman who appears to be a young girl. It is also used to sum up the "Lolita Complex" into a single word and genre.

Loli is the abbreviated form of "Lolicon" and thus it inherently means the same. It refers to a popular genre, but in later years have been more common to refer to the personality time that is the main focus of the genre. This personality type is a young girl or a young looking woman (appearing to be around 12-years old) who also act as if they were that age, with the focus to provoke a sexual response from their target audience which more commonly is young boys or teens.

15-12-2016, 06:45 PM

Ebony Wrote: "Lolicon" is a media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls. "Loli" is the abbreviated word of "Lolicon" hence "Loli" is derived from "Lolicon" which in turn comes from the Russian book "Lolita" which is the founding source for the "Lolita Complex". In the book "Lolita", an elderly man develops a unhealthy attraction towards a 12-year old girl that is noted at times to be sexual. From this the word derived from. Though outside of Japan some people seem to have taken "Loli" into referring to the character specifically, while also using "Lolita" for the same ends.

Though the character type it refers to are those that are "sexually precious" or "erotic-kawaii". Both make a note of it being sexual, and nothing else. So to sum that up:

Lolita is the name of a Russian book about a elderly man who gets obsessed with a 12-year old girl in both romantic and sexual terms. The word itself is more commonly used to refer to the genre, but outside of Japan it has been used to refer to the character type rather commonly.

Lolicon is derived from "Lolita" and is the name of a popular genre in Japan animation and written mediums. Most commonly manga and anime. This genre focus on sexual attraction towards either a young girl or a woman who appears to be a young girl. It is also used to sum up the "Lolita Complex" into a single word and genre.

Loli is the abbreviated form of "Lolicon" and thus it inherently means the same. It refers to a popular genre, but in later years have been more common to refer to the personality time that is the main focus of the genre. This personality type is a young girl or a young looking woman (appearing to be around 12-years old) who also act as if they were that age, with the focus to provoke a sexual response from their target audience which more commonly is young boys or teens.

Yeah no.

Lolicon isn't derived from lolita. Lolicon is someone who is into young looking girls, it's not a genre, it's a personality trait.
Lolita is indeed the name of a Russian book, and lolita means "sexualised girl", to make it easier for you, slutty, revealing etc.
Loli is a further abbreviation of lolicon, though it is originally from lolita, and has the slang meaning of a young looking girl.

To help you: Wikipedia


Also I'm done with the debate, no one uses the definitions you provide and I've asked tons and I mean tons of people for their opinion. None agree with you.
Cya.