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Do you think law abiding citizens should have the right to have a firearm in their homes for personal protection?

I do. When a rare instance where an armed thief breaks in and threatens your life are you going to fight with your hands? A bat? A knife? Tough luck.

Do you think law abiding citizens should have the right to have a firearm in their homes for personal protection?

I do. When a rare instance where an armed thief breaks in and threatens your life are you going to fight with your hands? A bat? A knife? Tough luck.

24-12-2018, 08:24 AM

Bubble Wrote: Do you think law abiding citizens should have the right to have a firearm in their homes for personal protection?

I do. When a rare instance where an armed thief breaks in and threatens your life are you going to fight with your hands? A bat? A knife? Tough luck.

no need, i have special powers being AlphaADC and the best

'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

24-12-2018, 08:36 AM

ExiledSource Wrote: 'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

"Americans are complete idiots" that's a rather strong opinion you have there. Gun violence is an issue to any extent in countries where citizens have ease of access to guns. Numerous people are killed by such things daily in nearly every country. Not all countries where a large percent of the population are gun owners have documentation on a majority of citizens or gun related crimes and murders that have and continue to take place. To simply say a country is full of complete idiots based off the fact they have many documented cases of gun violence or accidents taking place is preposterous. Do you have any idea how many people have been killed by guns for something as outrageous as giving someone an unwelcome attitude in many countries? In the year of 2016 there were 385,000 documented deaths due to gun violence in the United States. 87,000 gun violence related deaths were recorded in Pakistan in the year of 2016. The United States has a much higher literacy rate than Pakistan. This goes to show the amount of violent gun related deaths has very little connection to how intelligent country's citizens are. There are many more factors that play into how many violent gun related deaths take place than solely levels of intelligence... I could go on for days while providing proper evidence, however, I'm lazy as hell. I'm getting too lazy to continue dragging this on but the United States has a much larger population than Pakistan as well as a much higher percentage of citizens that own guns. This plays a major role in why the United States has a much larger number of recorded and violent gun related deaths than Pakistan. Your conclusion should have been something more along the lines of "humans are idiots" rather then singling out a specific country to call idiotic. You also generalized the ideal of having guns in home for self protection purposes to that of a much more broad array of coincidences such as crimes that have taken place outside of those homes. There is possibly hundreds of thousands of factors and forms of statistic based evidence that could go into play about this topic or even what this response itself has covered. All the evidence you have included takes place outside of people's homes for one... Well I'm going to end it here before I continue to ramble further. Your argument lacked in many aspects.

Sources:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsod...-countries
As well as general knowledge you can look up because I'm far too lazy

I absolutely believe every citizen should have the right to own a firearm. They're essential for self defense in particular situations, and will make you feel a hell of a lot safer while walking around a bad area by yourself or with a small group if you have your concealed carry permit.

I reckon that people should be allowed guns to protect their homes as long as they pass a Physiological exam first. Don't want anymore crazy people out there with guns.

24-12-2018, 08:36 AM

ExiledSource Wrote: 'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

You lost me at Americans are complete idiots. Using media outlets as a source for data is laughable. Nice try.

24-12-2018, 08:36 AM

ExiledSource Wrote: 'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

You lost me at Americans are complete idiots. Using media outlets as a source for data is laughable. Nice try.

I dont have one nor want one, but to each his own. Even if you make the law tighter thats only for those who follow.

There will always be ways around the system and get your hands on, oh wait I'm on this board! nevermind....LOL

24-12-2018, 08:36 AM

ExiledSource Wrote: 'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

Oh and the U.S. has a mix if gun control. There are many states that practically ban the ownership of firearms (California New Jersey new York Washington etc.) Those states with "bans" on guns (very restrictive gun control) have an unaffected crime rate after the law was passed. Gun deaths increase yes, but crime is still the same or sightly worse as it's easier to commit crimes knowing most people are unarmed. http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myt...#note-99-1

Bad guys don't give a fuck about the law obviously. So they will obtain their gun illegally without registering or getting it sent to a FFL dealer, obviously. While people who follow the law aren't allowed to own a firearm due to the law being restrictive. So if the murderer comes in shoot your family you're all sitting ducks. Oof. It's a extreme example sure, but you know where I'm getting at.

There have been 108 mass shootings since 1982 until now. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...full-data/ Most of the mass shootings happened in states with medium to heavy gun control. Most of the shooters were White, middle aged or above, had mental issues. However in 17-2018 we saw a good diversity of whites and Latinos.

I wonder why there are more shootings now in 2017-18? Stricter gun control? The media dividing the nation? People thinking to much, watching too much politics? There are a bunch of crazy people out there? A combination of all? Ya can't blame having no gun control because BAD GUYS don't care about obtaining firearms legally.

Now this is where we can agree. I like strict gun laws to a degree. I believe in heavier background checks, criminal background checks, and stricter medical checks. Even at the slightest hint of depression or visiting the doctors because you think you have mental issues is a red flag. I'm all for that. But if you're a law abiding citizens who passes the background check, registers their gun and follows the law, you should have the right to protect yourself and your family in your homes. Conceal carry and open carry is another thing though, which should be separate. But I beleieve there shouldn't be a permit to carry in your homes.

I live in Texas. You don't need a permit to carry in your home, car, or your place of business. I have an LTC, which allows me to open and conceal carry anywhere unless restricted (like courthouses, amusement parks, religious places, and anywhere that a business makes a 51% or more on alcohol or a business with a sign specifically saying no firearms permitted). I prefer to conceal carry for personal reasons.

Oh and there's a town near me called Killeen TX. It was one of the worst mass restaurant shootings in the United States. 20+ people murdered. One of the survivors said she wished she had her gun on her but because of the firearm laws at the time she left it in her car. If she had "broke the law" she said things would have been different.

24-12-2018, 08:36 AM

ExiledSource Wrote: 'law abiding citizens' is pretty much.. they just "have a clean record.." That doesn't mean they aren't dangerous..

So to me; no. Americans are complete idiots, and most will shoot someone for a completely retarded reason.
Example: Read the news
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/13/us/je...trial.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-can...kflip-move

My computer's too overloaded to look for more examples..

Oh and the U.S. has a mix if gun control. There are many states that practically ban the ownership of firearms (California New Jersey new York Washington etc.) Those states with "bans" on guns (very restrictive gun control) have an unaffected crime rate after the law was passed. Gun deaths increase yes, but crime is still the same or sightly worse as it's easier to commit crimes knowing most people are unarmed. http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myt...#note-99-1

Bad guys don't give a fuck about the law obviously. So they will obtain their gun illegally without registering or getting it sent to a FFL dealer, obviously. While people who follow the law aren't allowed to own a firearm due to the law being restrictive. So if the murderer comes in shoot your family you're all sitting ducks. Oof. It's a extreme example sure, but you know where I'm getting at.

There have been 108 mass shootings since 1982 until now. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...full-data/ Most of the mass shootings happened in states with medium to heavy gun control. Most of the shooters were White, middle aged or above, had mental issues. However in 17-2018 we saw a good diversity of whites and Latinos.

I wonder why there are more shootings now in 2017-18? Stricter gun control? The media dividing the nation? People thinking to much, watching too much politics? There are a bunch of crazy people out there? A combination of all? Ya can't blame having no gun control because BAD GUYS don't care about obtaining firearms legally.

Now this is where we can agree. I like strict gun laws to a degree. I believe in heavier background checks, criminal background checks, and stricter medical checks. Even at the slightest hint of depression or visiting the doctors because you think you have mental issues is a red flag. I'm all for that. But if you're a law abiding citizens who passes the background check, registers their gun and follows the law, you should have the right to protect yourself and your family in your homes. Conceal carry and open carry is another thing though, which should be separate. But I beleieve there shouldn't be a permit to carry in your homes.

I live in Texas. You don't need a permit to carry in your home, car, or your place of business. I have an LTC, which allows me to open and conceal carry anywhere unless restricted (like courthouses, amusement parks, religious places, and anywhere that a business makes a 51% or more on alcohol or a business with a sign specifically saying no firearms permitted). I prefer to conceal carry for personal reasons.

Oh and there's a town near me called Killeen TX. It was one of the worst mass restaurant shootings in the United States. 20+ people murdered. One of the survivors said she wished she had her gun on her but because of the firearm laws at the time she left it in her car. If she had "broke the law" she said things would have been different.

24-12-2018, 06:07 PM

Bubble Wrote: Oh and the U.S. has a mix if gun control. There are many states that practically ban the ownership of firearms (California New Jersey new York Washington etc.) Those states with "bans" on guns (very restrictive gun control) have an unaffected crime rate after the law was passed. Gun deaths increase yes, but crime is still the same or sightly worse as it's easier to commit crimes knowing most people are unarmed. http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myt...#note-99-1

Bad guys don't give a fuck about the law obviously. So they will obtain their gun illegally without registering or getting it sent to a FFL dealer, obviously. While people who follow the law aren't allowed to own a firearm due to the law being restrictive. So if the murderer comes in shoot your family you're all sitting ducks. Oof. It's a extreme example sure, but you know where I'm getting at.

There have been 108 mass shootings since 1982 until now. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/201...full-data/ Most of the mass shootings happened in states with medium to heavy gun control. Most of the shooters were White, middle aged or above, had mental issues. However in 17-2018 we saw a good diversity of whites and Latinos.

I wonder why there are more shootings now in 2017-18? Stricter gun control? The media dividing the nation? People thinking to much, watching too much politics? There are a bunch of crazy people out there? A combination of all? Ya can't blame having no gun control because BAD GUYS don't care about obtaining firearms legally.

Now this is where we can agree. I like strict gun laws to a degree. I believe in heavier background checks, criminal background checks, and stricter medical checks. Even at the slightest hint of depression or visiting the doctors because you think you have mental issues is a red flag. I'm all for that. But if you're a law abiding citizens who passes the background check, registers their gun and follows the law, you should have the right to protect yourself and your family in your homes. Conceal carry and open carry is another thing though, which should be separate. But I beleieve there shouldn't be a permit to carry in your homes.

I live in Texas. You don't need a permit to carry in your home, car, or your place of business. I have an LTC, which allows me to open and conceal carry anywhere unless restricted (like courthouses, amusement parks, religious places, and anywhere that a business makes a 51% or more on alcohol or a business with a sign specifically saying no firearms permitted). I prefer to conceal carry for personal reasons.

Oh and there's a town near me called Killeen TX. It was one of the worst mass restaurant shootings in the United States. 20+ people murdered. One of the survivors said she wished she had her gun on her but because of the firearm laws at the time she left it in her car. If she had "broke the law" she said things would have been different.

Only bubble starts a thread like "ay wtf is up my b's wadduya think" then replies with educated comments and factual statements afterwards... :sip: