Security over Freedom?

Do you prefer nofreedom and rights for the sake of security and safety of your country?

Or would you prefer no security and safety, and all the freedom and god given rights?

It's pretty general, so lets set the perimeters to basic U.S. shit like freedom of speech, right to bare arms, etc.And security is like the government spying on you, more law enforcement, and more power to law enforcement.



I would prefer freedom over security...which is obvious. But there are those who actually prefer security because of the sense of safety.

i think if we can balance between the two that will be batter

Freedom over security this way. I already have trust issues and I damn sure don't trust our government as much as I should.

Power to the people but fuck voting lol. I don''t need a false sense of security to feel safe tbh.

I think security over freedom could cause more damage to a country than freedom over security.

Interesting question btw

That entirely depends on how you define "freedom". Even you are in a cage, you aren't free, but are you free even if you aren't in a physical cage? You are still enslaved to a system you are within. Say you tear down that system and the world fall into anarchy, are you free? Even if you are still following the rules and laws given to you by time? You can talk about destiny and so on in the context of freedom for quite some time. I personally think that freedom is the ability to chose a path of your own accord even if the system, the world or even a God tells you that you can't. Freedom isn't the ability to defy everything that isn't you, it isn't the ability to redefine the world for others or to even affect the world for others. It is the power to follow what you believe in.

Thus a government system can't really take that away unless you give that right to them or if we reach a level of control where people's brains are taken over through outside means from birth. (No, I am not talking about brainwashing, as you are still you, just influenced). So as it currently stands, a government can't and wouldn't do that. So yes, I would trade my ability to keep my Google Search History private for the perks that I get for doing so.

17-12-2018, 06:24 AM

Bubble Wrote: But there are those who actually prefer security because of the sense of safety.

You would have to be like a single soccer mom or sumn to prefer this.

18-12-2018, 05:40 PM

Thirsty Wrote: You would have to be like a single soccer mom or sumn to prefer this.

Or an honest individual.

18-12-2018, 05:30 PM

Lukecetion Wrote: That entirely depends on how you define "freedom". Even you are in a cage, you aren't free, but are you free even if you aren't in a physical cage? You are still enslaved to a system you are within. Say you tear down that system and the world fall into anarchy, are you free? Even if you are still following the rules and laws given to you by time? You can talk about destiny and so on in the context of freedom for quite some time. I personally think that freedom is the ability to chose a path of your own accord even if the system, the world or even a God tells you that you can't. Freedom isn't the ability to defy everything that isn't you, it isn't the ability to redefine the world for others or to even affect the world for others. It is the power to follow what you believe in.

Thus a government system can't really take that away unless you give that right to them or if we reach a level of control where people's brains are taken over through outside means from birth. (No, I am not talking about brainwashing, as you are still you, just influenced). So as it currently stands, a government can't and wouldn't do that. So yes, I would trade my ability to keep my Google Search History private for the perks that I get for doing so.

If I wanted to be free from everything id walk outside naked with bananas taped to my body, singing and frolicking. But if a police officer came up to me and told me to stop right there and get down, I wouldn't. I'm free, I don't care. So I go out about my business and continue to frolick. Then oof, I end up with bullet holes in my body. That's probably the reason why people restrict themselves. Because in many places around the world, laws are in place to restrict rights.

18-12-2018, 05:40 PM

Lukecetion Wrote: Or an honest individual.

So wanting privacy makes you 'dishonest'?

18-12-2018, 05:40 PM

Bubble Wrote: If I wanted to be free from everything id walk outside naked with bananas taped to my body, singing and frolicking. But if a police officer came up to me and told me to stop right there and get down, I wouldn't. I'm free, I don't care. So I go out about my business and continue to frolick. Then oof, I end up with bullet holes in my body. That's probably the reason why people restrict themselves. Because in many places around the world, laws are in place to restrict rights.

Freedom is when someone tells you to stop and you can tell them; "No". If someone tells you to stop something, and you comply despite the fact that you don't want to stop, then you have effectively surrendered your own freedom in trade for the perks that offer. If you want to live within a system that has a set of rules to benefit from the perks that comes with that, you have given off your freedom for the time being. Though true freedom, as I stated is to have the option to say "no" even within such a system. No one is stopping you from going out into a unoccupied piece of land and building yourself a house and living off the land.

Though you can't get both sides. You can't have utter complete freedom and isolation from a system and still benefit from the perks of said system. You are never forced into a system, you are always given the option to follow that system every single day and that is true freedom as far as I can see. It is logical in the same sense people see it as logical to behave when they are visiting someone else's house. You play by their rules at that time, not your own. That would be a system in which you trade your normal behavior in for the perks and benefits of being in that "someone's" house for a limited time.

That is what people utterly fail to see when they talk about "freedom" in the sense of anarchy. They believe that a lack of system is freedom, yet forgetting that by nature, us humans abide by a system that we refer to as the "laws of nature" and the concept of continuity. Freedom is to have the option to chose, not the lack of options.

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18-12-2018, 05:45 PM

Thirsty Wrote: So wanting privacy makes you 'dishonest'?

No, being an honest individual who says they'd gladly give up privacy for the perks and benefits that gets them. Instead of being someone who is a hypocrite and states that they would never do that, yet are currently exploiting the perks and benefits of doing exactly that.