What do you think of Feminism?

Feminism is mixed up with a muddled idea that women are free when they serve their employers but slaves when they help their husbands.

Current feminism is a bunch of women trying to manipulate their way around to reach whatever they want

In my country, feminism is complety out of control, its everythin a bunch of stupid things wich dont have sense. Her womens are against everthing, like lless salary(which is illegal), aproblably all whit men are male chauvinist...

Feminism itself isn't a bad idea some people are just crazy

The main idea of feminism is actually good (it's simply woman is equal to man) but these days feminists are taking this like man is a complete trash and woman is a complete diamond

the "feminism" nowdays has nothing to do with the originaly feminism. todays feminazism is more about men hate and injustice. its ridiculous

30-07-2018, 03:49 PM

LordGrep Wrote: Do you consider yourself a feminist, or do you think that feminists should just fuck off?

i'm for equality but feminism is just too radical.

Oh yeah I totally agree, decades ago the initial feminism was needed badly but even then, a subgroup spreaded hate against men (which, of course, was somehow legit but short-sightened, it was and is a subset of powerful usually white men abusing their positions not only against women but weaker or just unlucky or empathic men, people with illnesses, animals, reaping nature for money, submitting everything to more money and more power).

But these days it went out of control. Many women see themself as better than men, which they simply aren't. There is no black and white. It's a question of life experience, a teenager needs to learn much about life and society, independent of gender.

Feminism is used as an excuse to raisin pick priorities and fuels hate not only against men but as hate creates more hate, it eventually gets back against them with in many sublte (and not-so-subtle, violent) ways, creating a spiral of hate and injustice instead of equality.

Besides obvious things like men being forced to military (depending on country, I like the Israelic way where everyone independent of gender gets involved. Would like even more a country where it's completely optional and military being a professional job-- or completely a history but I don't want to live in a IS state so it remains a dream at the moment).. women getting more motherhood days off than fathers, they being favoured in divorce where usually the man has to pay even if she earns good money..

Obviously there should be equal salary for equal labour. Dunno but the numbers might be severly biased as there are much more women working partially as men, also industry not offering part time jobs to men. So if salary is counted by population instead by hour of work, it creates an illusion of inequality.

--

Where women became king is dating. Everyone wants their wealthy, nicely trained, strong but soft Alpha which satisfies them in bed.. blaming men for making avances but hesitating to do the "first step" by themselves, not wanting to risk being set back and laughing about men sharing their unspoken fear.. laughing about men showing emotions and hate men who don't show emotions after the initial attraction became a psychological nightmare.

Imho Hollywood and other storytellers are to blame for this too. Every western girl grows up as a princess, dreaming of meeting Ken some nice day, or a prince on his white unicorn.. this creates a strong mindest of being better than the average and wanting only someone who is also the one out of 10.000 ...

But we have had inequalities since very, very long ago. Prostitution is called "the oldest professionality" and while obviously it is an area of human abuse (I can't imagine paying an anonymous girl for a quick bang with half of the money flowing directly to an asshole and other half to other assholes selling drugs the girl takes to handle what she does), it also shows what's going on. There are some rare occasions where women pay for men, but of course very hand-picked guys, while men happily take an average woman.

The guy I am, I don't have real chances with most girls, even though I'm not ugly or a mad asshole (which might be part of the problem, but that's another topic). I'm very sure that the 100% equal DNA just being born with XX genome, I would be seen as a hot lolita girlie.. I once met a girl who looked pretty much like I'd imagine myself as female, and she was exactly that, hot and got much attraction from men. Somehow we ended up together for a while, just to loose her to some asshole promising her loads of money while of course abusing her for not a single cent.. during this time I got an impression of how corrupted "hot" girls are/become.. she wanted to become a model in her teens and had her first time with some old, locally famous agent and she wan't the only one.

As long as society as a whole doesn't change, we won't go anywhere.

Feminism as a vessel for equality is excellent in my opinion. However, modern feminism has become more about empowerment in the form of superiority rather than equality which is very disappointing. The same thing seems to happen to a lot of social movements.

There are hundreds of feminist currents, so it does feel less focused than in the past. For instance, in the past, feminism was the cause of important institutional changes - such as women's suffrage and equal pay. Now it's more cultural: accurate representation of women in the media and minimization of the gender gap, for instance.

I identify with that, considering that I come from a country with a huge "macho" culture. It's slowly changing for the better, following the example of western countries. Still, I have a hard time understanding the war against pornography and prostitution: prohibition almost always leads to worse work conditions, instead of preventing it, and there are tons of evidence about it. I also don't agree with TERFs.